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in place post-9/11 work. now it may be too late to save everyone, but it is providing a effective defense. >> in terms of the sophistication to carry out a mail attack, if you will, honestly the details around the anthrax attack are still very much -- we don't have clarity even a decade later. >> still in dispute. >> it takes a fair amount of sophistication and access to material to be able to even care something like this out. >> and anthrax is harder than ricin. anthrax to tell le weaponize it, grind it up, getting it to a place where it's effective is a bit more different than risen. ricin extracted from castor beans, this is not particularly sophisticated, but it is effective. it has to be ingested or inhaled, about you it requires somebody to at least give it some thought to sit down and produce it. >> luke, you are obviously here and not on capitol hill, but in terms of the reaction we're seeing from congress, the fact -- look, there's still legislation that they're debating at the capitol hill and it's on high alert. the question is how much it affects the proceedings. and there's
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